Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom | Lex Fridman Podcast #414

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Tucker Carlson, a highly influential political commentator, discusses the consequences of asking certain questions to Putin and questions the US government's control over media. Despite criticism, Carlson believes in talking to everyone and understanding different perspectives through genuine conversations. They refute claims of not asking tough questions and trust the intelligence of their listeners. Carlson acknowledges their show may not be for everyone and encourages listeners to check out other shows. They promise to continue improving and share their first impression of interviewing Putin, believing in being honest and true to oneself in interviews. The speaker believes in exploring diverse perspectives and recently interviewed Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss the war in Ukraine. They have received criticism for talking to certain people, but they believe in talking to everyone who is willing to have a genuine conversation. They disagree with the idea that they do not

ask tough questions and trust the intelligence of their listeners. They acknowledge that their show may not be for everyone and promise to work on improving. The podcast is sponsored and the speaker introduces an interview with Tucker Carlson, sharing their first impression of meeting Putin. They felt Putin seemed nervous and overthought the interview, believing it's better to be honest and true to oneself. A student gave a speech in Russian explaining their fear of a preemptive attack from NATO, the West, and the Biden Administration, which surprised and annoyed the speaker. The speaker disagrees with the criticism of not asking tough questions and trusts the intelligence of their listeners. They acknowledge that their show may not be for everyone and encourage listeners to check out other shows. The podcast is sponsored and the speaker introduces an interview with Tucker Carlson, sharing their first impression of meeting Vladimir Putin. They also share an experience with a student

who gave a history lesson and an interview with someone who had a paranoid view of reality. The speaker acknowledges their show may not appeal to everyone and encourages listeners to check out other shows. They thank listeners for their support and introduce an interview with Tucker Carlson. The speaker shares their first impression of meeting Vladimir Putin and reflects on the interview, believing it's important to be honest and true to oneself. They also discuss a previous interview with a student who seemed paranoid and avoided answering questions. The speaker reflects on their experience interviewing Putin and their usual routine before interviews. They express a lack of interest in drawing conclusions from the conversation. A speaker interviews a student who gives a surprising history lesson and explains his fear of a preemptive attack. The speaker then interviews someone with a paranoid view of reality and reflects on their experience interviewing Vladimir Putin. They also

share their interest in Soviet history and how it has influenced their life. The speaker interviewed someone with a paranoid view of reality who avoided questions by talking about Russian history. They reflect on their experience interviewing Vladimir Putin and their interest in Soviet history. The speaker is motivated by curiosity and a desire to draw conclusions from their experiences. They have a close relationship with their family and their goal in life is to have an interesting and fulfilling life. The speaker reflects on their experience interviewing Vladimir Putin and their interest in Soviet history. They are motivated by curiosity and desire to draw conclusions from their experiences. They are not afraid of death but are concerned about their family. They have a happy life and a close relationship with their partner and children. The speaker's goal is to reflect on their interesting life experiences and bring more information to the public about events in Ukraine and Russia,

rejecting the idea of war and advocating for American citizens to have a say in decisions that could affect them. The speaker, with a strong interest in Soviet history, was amazed to be in the Kremlin and this experience has become a driving force in their life. They are motivated by curiosity and have a close relationship with their family. They believe the world is shifting in a harmful way and want to bring more information to the public about events in Ukraine and Russia. They reject blindly obeying authority and value participatory democracy. They question the claim that Ukraine is on the verge of winning the war. The speaker is motivated by curiosity and has a close relationship with their family. They believe the world is shifting in a harmful way and want to bring more information to the public about events in Ukraine and Russia. They reject the idea of blindly obeying authority and value participatory democracy. The speaker questions the media's portrayal of Ukraine as the

likely winner in the ongoing war, influenced by the US government's interests. They also reject the idea of Ukraine being on the verge of winning the war, as they are not a military expert and believe Russia has a stronger capacity. The speaker believes that the world is shifting in a harmful way for the US and wants to inform the public about events in Ukraine and Russia. They reject the idea of the war in Ukraine and value participatory democracy. They question the media's portrayal of Ukraine as the likely winner and had a conversation with Prime Minister Orban who believes it is impossible for Ukraine to win against Russia due to their strong economy and larger population. The speaker is frustrated with the media's portrayal of the conflict as a moral battle rather than accurately reporting the situation. The speaker rejects blind obedience to authority and values participatory democracy. They are frustrated with the lies surrounding the conflict in Ukraine and question the claim

that Ukraine is on the verge of winning the war. The speaker had a conversation with Prime Minister Victor Orban, who believes it is impossible for Ukraine to win against Russia due to their strong economy and larger population. The speaker also expresses frustration with the media's portrayal of the conflict and discusses the possibility of Ukraine winning with US help, but emphasizes the need for a nuanced discussion about what "winning" means. They also disapprove of war and prioritize what is best for America. Russia has a larger population and stronger industrial and war capacity than NATO, but the US media portrays Ukraine as the likely winner in the ongoing war due to US government interests. The speaker had a conversation with the intelligent Prime Minister Victor Orban, who believes it is impossible for Ukraine to win against Russia. The speaker expresses frustration with the media's portrayal of the conflict and discusses the possibility of Ukraine winning with US help. They

also disapprove of war and prioritize America's interests. The speaker strongly disagrees with the idea that Ukraine's victory is simply not being destroyed by Russia and criticizes the Biden Administration for preventing Ukraine from making deals with Russia, resulting in more deaths and profit for the West. They also mention that Boris Johnson demanded a large sum of money to speak with them, which they see as a moral crime. The speaker had a conversation with Prime Minister Victor Orban about the likelihood of Ukraine winning against Russia. They express frustration with media portrayal of the conflict and discuss the possibility of US involvement. The speaker disagrees with the idea that a victory for Ukraine means not being destroyed by Russia and criticizes the Biden Administration's actions. They also question the morality of Boris Johnson and the future of the West and Ukraine, but see the conversation as an opportunity to expose lies. The speaker discusses the possibility of

Ukraine winning with US support, but emphasizes the need for a nuanced definition of "winning." They disapprove of war and prioritize what is best for America. The speaker criticizes the Biden Administration for preventing Ukraine from making deals with Russia, and questions the morality of Boris Johnson. They also express disappointment with the interviewer's lack of aggression and focus on exposing lies in the conversation. The interviewee's goal was not to make the interview about themselves, unlike other Western media interviews with Putin. The speaker believes that the Biden Administration sent Boris Johnson to prevent Ukraine from making a deal with Russia, resulting in more deaths and profit for the West. They question Johnson's morality and the future of the West and Ukraine. The speaker also discusses their own interview with an unnamed interviewee, who was dissatisfied with the lack of aggression and tough questions. The speaker's main focus is on exposing lies and

discussing important topics such as the War and its impact on the world. They do not consider themselves a good person and only care about the opinions of their family and God. The speaker jokingly demanded a million dollars to talk to someone, comparing it to interviewing Putin for free. They question the morality of Boris Johnson and the future of the West and Ukraine. The speaker believes they can expose some lies in the conversation and discusses their interview with Putin, expressing disappointment in not being able to ask tough questions. They also mention feeling sorry for someone named Gershkovich and wanting Putin to release them, but ultimately decided to focus on more important topics. The speaker does not feel the need to prove themselves and only cares about the opinions of their family and God. The speaker expresses disappointment with the lack of tough questions in their interview with Putin and discusses their focus on important topics such as the War. They do not

feel the need to prove themselves and only care about the opinions of their family and God. They believe the US economy is declining and recent sanctions will lead to poverty. They also mention the death of a person in prison and are asked for their thoughts on the matter. The speaker discusses their interview with Putin and their disappointment in not being able to ask tough questions. They prioritize important topics such as the War and express concern for someone named Gershkovich. They do not feel the need to prove themselves and believe they would have acted differently if they were younger. They criticize the US economy and recent sanctions, and express sadness about the death of someone in prison. They believe opposition figures should not be imprisoned, but admit the cause of death is unknown. The speaker reflects on their interview with Putin, expressing disappointment at not being able to ask tough questions. They also mention feeling sorry for someone named Gershkovich and

wanting Putin to release them. They believe that the US economy is declining and recent sanctions will lead to poverty. They criticize American politicians for making claims without knowing the facts and express sadness about the death of a person named Navali in prison. The speaker discusses the controversy surrounding $60 billion in funding for Ukraine and expresses skepticism about Russian involvement. They also criticize the US for interfering in other countries' elections. The speaker discusses their belief that they would have acted differently in response to the current state of the US economy and the actions of the Biden Administration and Congress if they were younger. They express sadness about the death of a person named Navali in prison and criticize American politicians for making claims without knowing the facts. The speaker also expresses skepticism about Russian involvement in the death and criticizes the US for its history of interfering in other countries' elections.

They are offended by the idea of US interference in elections, but have come to realize its truth and believe in making policy decisions based on knowable truth. The speaker expresses sadness over the death of a prisoner and criticizes American politicians for making claims without knowing the facts. They discuss the controversy surrounding funding for Ukraine and express skepticism about Russian involvement. The speaker also criticizes the US for interfering in other countries' elections and discusses their personal realization of this truth. They express concern about the lack of political freedom in Russia and mention a personal connection to someone living there. The speaker discusses the controversy surrounding $60 billion in funding for Ukraine and the possibility of Russian involvement in a politician's death. They express skepticism about Russian involvement and criticize the US for interfering in other countries' elections. The speaker also expresses concern about the lack of

political freedom in Russia and shares a personal connection to someone living there. They had dinner with a Russian man who warned against getting involved in Russian politics due to its complexity. The speaker admires Russian culture but acknowledges the difficulty in fully understanding it. The speaker, who grew up during the Cold War, is offended by the idea of US interference in other countries' elections but has come to realize its truth. They express concern about the lack of political freedom in Russia and share a personal connection to someone living there. They had dinner with a Russian man who warned against getting involved in Russian politics and admires Russian culture but acknowledges its complexity. The speaker is unsure about the connection between Naval's death and the upcoming election in Russia and noticed the absence of cult of personality propaganda in Moscow. The speaker discusses the political situation in Russia, expressing concern about the lack of political

freedom and imprisonment of opposition figures. They mention a personal connection to someone living in Russia and the impact of these decisions on individuals. The speaker also had dinner with a Russian man who warned against getting involved in politics, citing the complexity of the Russian mind. They are unsure about the connection between Naval's death and the upcoming election, and have noticed the absence of cult of personality propaganda in Moscow. The presence of pictures of the king and his family suggests a desire to maintain power, and the question of press freedom is evident. The speaker had dinner with a Russian man who warned against getting involved in Russian politics due to its complexity and potential danger. The speaker also noticed the absence of cult of personality propaganda in Moscow and discusses the country's political insecurity and lack of press freedom. They also mention being warned by their lawyers about potential legal consequences during their recent

trip, but they believe they have the right to talk to anyone as an American and did not feel concerned during their trip. The speaker is uncertain about the connection between Naval's death and the upcoming Russian election. They have noticed the absence of cult of personality propaganda in Moscow and discuss the country's political climate and press freedom. Despite warnings from lawyers, the speaker chooses to speak freely about their experiences in Russia and their belief in their right to freedom of speech as an American. The speaker also had a disagreement with lawyers about a potential legal issue and a conversation with a head lawyer about the dangers of being too friendly with Putin. The speaker discusses their experience in a foreign country where the presence of pictures of the king and his family suggests political insecurity and a desire to maintain power. Despite warnings from their lawyers, the speaker chooses to speak freely as an American and is willing to face any

risks. They had a disagreement with their lawyers about a potential legal issue and were warned about the dangers of being too friendly with Putin. The speaker was arrested in Moscow and was scared by the experience. The speaker discusses their recent trip and disagreement with lawyers about potential legal consequences. They were warned about being too friendly with Putin and were arrested in Moscow. The speaker was also heavily surveilled by the US government and met with Edward Snowden in Moscow. They tried to convince Snowden to do an interview and take a photo together. The speaker had a disagreement with lawyers about a legal issue and was warned about potential consequences. They were arrested in Moscow and were unaware of the seriousness of the situation due to their lack of knowledge about Russian culture and language. The speaker met with Edward Snowden in private and supports him, but the media's reporting of the meeting as a crime highlights government control and threats

to freedom in the US. The speaker, a journalist with 33 years of experience, was arrested in Moscow and was unaware of the seriousness of the situation due to their lack of knowledge about Russian culture and language. They met with Edward Snowden in private and tried to convince him to do an interview and take a photo together. The speaker supports Snowden and believes he has been falsely accused. They also express concern about government surveillance and media control in the United States. The speaker, a former journalist, was heavily surveilled by the US government and met with Edward Snowden in Moscow. They support Snowden and criticize the media for being controlled by the government. The speaker's main concern is preserving freedom in the US and they have been tracked by the NSA and possibly the CIA. They also discussed the lack of secure communication channels with their producers and were told that everything is monitored by state actors and intelligence services. The

speaker supports Edward Snowden and believes the media's portrayal of him wanting to live in Russia is false. They have personal experience with the media's control by the government and are concerned about preserving freedom in the United States. They have also been tracked by the NSA and possibly the CIA. As someone in the secure communications business, they have discussed the lack of true security in communication channels with knowledgeable individuals. The speaker is not worried about their own calls being monitored and has accepted the lack of privacy while traveling with colleagues. They switch out their phone to avoid potential spyware damage. The speaker, a journalist with 33 years of experience in the news industry, is concerned about the state of the country and the preservation of freedom in the United States. They have had discussions about secure communication channels and have been informed that everything is monitored, especially by state actors and intelligence

services. The speaker has accepted the lack of privacy that comes with using a surveilled cell phone and frequently switches phones to avoid excessive spyware. They have also experienced being hacked while in North Korea and being surveilled by the South Korean government. This has caused the speaker to be troubled by the fact that as a journalist, they are being tracked. The speaker, a secure communications businessperson, discussed the lack of true security in communication channels and the monitoring of all communication by state actors and intelligence services. They have accepted the lack of privacy while using a surveilled cell phone and frequently switch phones to avoid excessive spyware. Their phone was hacked in North Korea and they were informed by the National Security Council that it was being surveilled by the South Korean government. The speaker is troubled by being tracked as a journalist and expresses frustration with the involvement of intelligence services in US

politics and media, believing it undermines democracy. They are not afraid as they are not involved in any wrongdoing. The speaker believes their phone is being surveilled and frequently switches it out to avoid battery damage. They were informed by the National Security Council that their phone was hacked while in North Korea. The speaker is troubled by the involvement of intelligence services in US politics and media, and believes it undermines democracy. They were advised to be careful with their questions, but are not afraid as they are not involved in any wrongdoing. The speaker also questions the control of the US government over their questions and criticizes the portrayal of leaders as good or evil. They believe seeking power or wealth corrupts a person's morals. The speaker's phone was hacked in North Korea and they were informed by the National Security Council that it was being surveilled by the South Korean government. They frequently switch phones due to battery life

issues and are troubled as a journalist being tracked. They discuss the leaking of information to the New York Times and criticize the involvement of intelligence services in US politics and media. The speaker believes seeking power or wealth corrupts morals and argues that labeling leaders as good or evil is simplistic. They believe it is important to determine where on the spectrum each leader falls, rather than solely blaming or praising them for their country's state. The speaker discusses the leaking of information to the media and expresses frustration with the involvement of intelligence services in US politics. They criticize the idea of labeling leaders as good or evil and argue that seeking power or wealth corrupts morals. The focus should be on the practical effects of leaders' policies and personal factors, rather than their personalities or political ideologies. The speaker questions the idea of labeling leaders as good or evil and argues that seeking power or wealth

corrupts morals. They believe that the focus should be on the practical effects of leaders' policies and not solely on their personalities. They also argue that tangible victories, such as societal progress and prosperity, are more important than moral victories. They use the example of the Black Lives Matter movement to support their argument. The speaker argues that labeling leaders as either good or evil is simplistic and that there is a spectrum of virtue. They believe that practical effects and tangible victories are more important than political ideologies or personalities. The speaker reflects on their experience in Moscow and how it changed their perspective on world events, and mentions their American identity and its influence on their views. The speaker emphasizes the importance of focusing on the practical effects of leaders' ideas and policies rather than their personalities. They believe that tangible victories, such as societal progress and prosperity, are more

important than superficial matters. The speaker also reflects on their experience in Moscow and how it changed their perspective on global issues, criticizing their own leaders for not creating a similar environment. The speaker values society's progress and tangible victories over superficial matters. They use the example of the Black Lives Matter movement to support their argument. Their experience in Moscow changed their perspective on global issues and they believe that the decline in cities' cleanliness and safety is the responsibility of government officials. They also criticize their own leaders for not creating a similar environment. The speaker believes that society often prioritizes intangible things over tangible factors like cleanliness, safety, and beauty. The speaker reflects on their visit to Moscow and how it changed their perspective on world events. They were impressed by the city's cleanliness and lack of social issues, but do not endorse the political system or

leader. They believe that the responsibility for a city's cleanliness and safety lies with the government, not just the architectural design. The speaker also argues that while freedom of speech is important, living in a safe and orderly environment is crucial and can coexist. They reject the idea that chaos and violence are necessary for freedom, citing their own experience in a country that was both free and clean. The speaker visited Moscow and was impressed by its cleanliness and lack of social issues, but does not support the political system or leader. They believe that the responsibility for a city's cleanliness and safety lies with the government, not Putin. They argue that society often prioritizes intangible things over tangible factors like cleanliness and safety. The speaker also believes that living in a safe and orderly environment is crucial and rejects the idea that chaos and violence are necessary for freedom. They argue that cleanliness and freedom of speech can

coexist and that dictatorships may have an easier time achieving it, but this is not a defense of the Russian system. The speaker believes that government officials, not Putin, are responsible for the decline in cities' cleanliness and safety. They argue that society often prioritizes intangible things over tangible factors like cleanliness, safety, and beauty. They also believe that living in a safe and orderly environment is crucial and reject the idea that chaos and violence are necessary for freedom. The speaker is critical of American leaders and believes that foreign invaders are causing harm to the country. They encourage people to have higher expectations and believe that crime is a choice made by leaders, not a natural occurrence. The speaker believes that freedom of speech and living in a safe and orderly environment are both important factors in a country's superiority. They reject the idea that chaos and violence are necessary for freedom and point to their own experience

living in a country that was both free and clean. They also criticize American leaders and believe that crime is a choice made by them, not a natural occurrence. The speaker wrote a book about crime 30 years ago and believes that tolerating crime does not make one free. They emphasize the importance of having both safety and diversity in a country.